Saturday, July 14, 2007

"ONE NATION, UNDER GOD?"


O.K., everyone get ready for a shock. I think the words "under God" should be taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance. That's right, Pro-American, flag wavin' H.C. thinks those words no longer belong in our oath. If you've read some of my relatively pro-Christian rants, you're probably thinking, (As a lot of people do.) that I'm being inconsistent in my thinking, or that I'm just trying to get a rise out of people. But let me assure you, I believe what I'm about to tell you and I absolutely think that the Pledge of Allegiance should be changed.



It's not that I don't recognize our Christian heritage, it's not that I don't understand the enormous contribution of Judeo-Christian philosophy to our laws or our morality, it's not that I believe in total Separation of Church and State, and not even that I've decided to turn sharply left and join my secular friends so somebody on this planet will finally agree with me 100% of the time. (As good as that sounds sometimes.) So, what is my reason for wanting to blackout the words "under God"? Nationalism, pride, and inclusion.


The history of the Pledge of Allegiance is not as long as you may think, in fact it's only been around for the second half of our nation's history. The Founding Fathers had no hand in it and as near as I could research, didn't even suggest it. It all started with a Baptist Minister named Francis Bellamy who liked the idea first suggested to him by his cousin Edward Bellamy of a pledge to help promote pride in the country. It was first published by Francis in "The Youth"s Companion", a well read magazine of the time, in September, 1891. But it wasn't until two years later when Bellamy introduced the Pledge to the American public during a celebration of Columbus Day in Boston that it started to take hold. Mr. Bellamy, as it turns out, was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association and incorporated his pledge into the public school system.


His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ] Several changes were made to the original, replacing the word "my" with the word "the" and adding the words "of the United States of America" and finally "under God".


In 1954, a campaign by the Knights of Columbus to add the words "Under God" reached fruition. They had been campaigning hard for the last several years for the change based on the change they had made in their own reading of the Pledge at their meetings. President Eisenhower signed the change into law (Public Law relating to treatment of the flag) on Flag Day June 14, 1954, and our present-day Pledge of Allegiance was born.


So what's my problem? I have several.


First off, I believe that having a oath of allegiance to this country is a good idea and we should promote it. Unfortunately, over the past few decades I have noticed that it has become increasingly fashionable for people to trash this country. I'm fairly sure it started with the Vietnam protests and has continued to grow out of it. Add to that the rise in Liberalism and Secularism, both of which fundamentally dislike Capitalism and religion's role in the world, and you have the stage set for a great deal of our populace having no pride in the country they live in. Now, I know there are a lot of reasons, particularly in the past, that people feel our country has fallen far short of what we would have expected from our forefathers. But that is no reason not to have loyalty to the country in which you live in. In order to bring these people into the fold, we need to have a oath that they can say without reservation.


Second reason; the oath shouldn't be confused with a prayer. As much as I'm not a fan of removing Faith from any discussions, your asking people who do not believe in a God (over 8%) to swear allegiance to a country that exists "under God". Think of it this way Christians, would you swear allegiance to a country that had in it's oath "without God"? Of course not. Then there is the problem of incorporating it into our schools. With the present day arguments about Separation of Church and State, keeping those words makes the argument about church and State instead of pride and allegiance to your country where it should be. If you think it's a good idea to teach all of our children pride in this country so they will work hard to make it better, the words "under God" have to go.


Third reason; our country is becoming more and more diversified. We now have a significant portion of our country that believes in Buddhism, Confucianism, Atheism, Wicca, and many other religions that cannot affirm allegiance to a country which recognizes a Deity or even only one Deity. The words "under God" makes it hard for even the most patriotic among them to recite it.


What I'm talking about here is forming an oath that everyone can join in. If we are to survive as a country, we can not continue to find new ways to divide ourselves. You can, and should, have pride in the country you live in. I have heard many times from people who claim they will do nothing to support a country they have no pride in. I understand that pride, like respect, should be earned. But this country was born into the idea that it can change. Having no Nationalism makes our players weak and unmotivated to work toward betterment. I know it's a small part of the puzzle, but if our children at least start with the notion that they are committed to making this a better country, maybe more of them will work hard to make it so. If we continue to keep the words "under God" we may soon see a time when we have to remove the word "indivisible", and that would truly be a shame. H.C.

29 comments:

Andre said...

Interestingly, I think that many people have an affinity with using God in the nation's affairs for a couple of reasons:

(1) People somehow label the U.S. as a Christian nation founded by Christian figures. Little do they know that most of the original founding fathers were Deists.

(2) Secondly, overly religious folks translate the removal of "Under God" as an absolute and exclusive pledge to the country. In which case, they would argue that the pledge of alligiance minus God is idolatry. Of course, I think that's bullsh*t, but an overwhelming Christian nation might not think so.

Frankly, I'm of the mind that diversity can't be touted as a selling point to this nation if it relies on a homogenous system of religious beliefs. So you'll get no argument from me.

Andre said...

I don't know why I used the word "affair" in the first paragraph. I meant to say "allegiance".

Strange typo. Sorry...

The H.C. said...

Hey Dre,
I've often wondered where you got the info that our Founding Fathers were mostly Deists. My research shows only Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin. George Washington was a Episcopalian, as was James Madison. site;(http://www.heptune.com/preslist.html#religions) George Mason, the Father of the Bill of Rights was Episcopalian also site; (http://www.geocities.com/peterroberts.geo/Relig-Politics/GMason.html#rlg) Alexander Hamilton was a Presbyterian most of his life and converted to Episcopalian near the end of his life. site; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton) John Jay was a Episcopalian too. Site;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay Those are the Founding Fathers, did I miss something? Other than that I'm in complete agreement with you, even though we are a predominately Christian society, we were also established on the basis of inclusion. If you want everyone to feel like they're part of this country, (and I do) you need an oath they can all feel comfortable taking.

Andre said...

I've been following some of the work from David Holmes, a theologian professor from William & Mary. While I differ with him on some other things, his work on the theology of the founding fathers was pretty interesting and has been supported by others in the academic community.

For me, let's put it this way: I wouldn't be suprised if the founding fathers were NOT interested in building the Christian nation that evangelicals are trying to preserve and defend.

Andre said...

Off topic: What's up with that popup about "Peek-a-boos" posts that I get when I enter your site? Do know about that?

Anonymous said...

H.C., you're sooooooo going to Hell for this one.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the H.C. used some script from, or linked to, hackosphere.blogspot which is essentially some guy posting various code for people to customize their blogs w/ (do NOT, however, confuse a blog-hack w/ the act of hacking; a blog-hack has nothing to do w/ you, me, or anybody else getting hacked).
You should just be able to go in & remove whatever piece of code, if any (like I said, it could even be a link that you've used in your code as well), that you may have recently added. I haven't dug-into that site beyond the front-page, so I'm not certain as to what kind of 'instructions' this guy is referring to. Just don't give anybody any $$$ if they ask for it. Or, if you do, then give me some too.

If you have any problems, ask Will. Or even Andy. Both of them seem to be puter-savvy enough to know just what the hell I am talking about.

-n

The H.C. said...

Hey Dre,
Thanks for clearing that up. I'll check out Mr. Holmes' thoughts and let you know what I think. I do agree with your statement that the Founding Fathers were certainly not trying to form a "Christian Nation". I think their writings support that.

The H.C. said...

Dre,
No, I didn't know about any pop-ups. I'll see if I can get rid of them...I think Nic was volunteering to help.

The H.C. said...

Wow, God reads my Blog!!!! Take that Dre!

Andre said...

Uh...Hipster? God just told you that you're hell-bound for your writing. That's not exactly the type of message I'd like to hear from Him.

TABOR said...

Wow I feel like you and I are in that movie "trading places". Here you are, someone that supports a judeo christian nation in many ways, and I'm someone that wishes christianity could be banned from American government in every way. However you are asking for banishment of "under god" from the pledge of alligence, and I'm just saying "Who gives a shit". America is the most diverse nation on the planet. Therefore, there is going to be difference of opinion between individuals in just about every forum. It's "under god" not "under Jesus". So that means that according to your stats 92% of the American people should not have a problem with that. Considering we are a democracy and a president can get elected with fewer votes than the loser due to the bullshit electoral college, I would think that anything with a difference of 92% to 8% is pretty minor. The pledge of alligence is a mantra that people chant along to without even really listening to what they're saying, it's mere words. I choose to pledge my alligence by enjoying our freedoms and living the way our founding fathers intended.

The H.C. said...

Hey Tabor,
I absolutely love when someone is dead sure they know where I would come down on something and is suprised. HMMMM, trading places with a 27 year old. Man, I have to admit Tabor, that sounds awfully good. No pain, no gray, no wrinkles, the world at my feet. However, I do have to disagree with your computing, those 8% are only the Atheists you forgot to include all the people who believe in multiple Gods like those that follow Wicca. At any rate, I know a lot of fine Patriotic Atheists (Like Steve from Studio 1714), I don't really want to exclude them.

The H.C. said...

@Andre,
I'm sure he was only kidding. Are you sure your not just a teeeny, tiiiny, bit jealous? I mean, God was at MY site! No worries though, I'm sure Jesus would like your site better than mine...I'm not even a Christian.

Andre said...

Tabor, I think the issue here is that the phrase is "under God" (capital "G") suggests the entity who goes by that name; as recognized in Christianity. Gods (small "g") could be interpreted as "insert your personal deity here"; which is clearly not the case with our Pledge of Alligiance. Diversity of religion is pissed on by essentially declaring that our nation exclusively subscribes to one deity.

And this is all coming from a Christian...

huna30 said...

You actually have a website. Good job brother. I love your website.

TABOR said...

Hey H.C. I'm only 26. Don't confuse me with those 27 year old farts like your son. I can still get away with saying I'm in my mid-20's rather than late-20's. As for the 8%, I was only going by your stats, I didn't do any particular research.

Andre,
I see where you are coming from, myself not being a christian I have seen the bias that America shows towards christianity on a mainstream level, but I have never felt excluded when it comes to enjoying the freedoms of America. I have every right to pursue the same happiness as christians, so why should I get bent out of shape about something that doesn't matter? Who cares about a single word in a pledge? And why the hell is it a big deal that Janet Jackson's tit popped out at the SuperBowl? I understand your point, but to me it's a non-issue. People just need to calm down about stupid shit.

Andre said...

@ Huna: My site is better. At least I don't have God condemning me. Hmph.

@ Tabor: I'm with you on most of your points. Except maybe the 27-year-old fart thing. Dude, I'm 27...

heiresschild said...

you guys are a hoot! espescially god.

The H.C. said...

Hey Heiress,
You gotta love God. He didn't get where he is today without some major talents.

The H.C. said...

@Dre,
Love the "Hmph"

heiresschild said...

oops, i just noticed i misspelled "especially"

The H.C. said...

Hi Heiress,
I dout anione notised...Persanally, I thought it had a "x" in it.

Anonymous said...

Hi H.C.! :)

Funny how a minister would, because his motivation was pride of country, suggest "under God".
Pride of course is a sin. ;)

And without checking, 'cause I trust you, great research! :)

You kept replacing (oath) for (pledge) of allegiance.
I do not think they are (legally)symetrical. ;)

The pledge is B.S. period.
My kids do not wish to pledge allegiance to The Clothe, of The United States of America.

Ask most folks what country they live in and they reply: The United States of America.
When in fact The United States is our Federal Government, and ergo America is our country.
It's as though 100's of millions of people do not understand the word nor meaning of (OF).
I love it! ;)

So, the pledge is a crock period.
Millions of American's have and are continuing to be brainwashed with this pledge to the "Clothe of The Federal Government".

Take care my man. :)

Rod Ryker...
The horrors of government manifested on the minority,
are the warnings of tyranny to the majority.

Ron Paul 2008. ;)

The H.C. said...

Hey Rod,
Glad to see your still with us. I was worried you took my joking seriously. (Some things don't come out the same when read.) I love that you give people another perspective, even though I would say I agree with you 90% of the time. At risk of sounding like a Nationalist, I like the idea of a pledge. I don't feel that I'm pledging to my country right or wrong, but rather pledging to help make it better as opposed to dismantling it and starting over.Despite all it's faults, I really do think this is the best country on earth *Insert Star Spangled Banner here* A lack of pride leads to not wanting to help make it better. I guess that's why I'm for the pledge. Thanks for your insight as always.

Anonymous said...

Hi H.C. :)

I haven't been posting as much because I have been busting your chops too much lately. I thought, hey Rod give the poor man a break. :):):)
LOL

I like (love) of country, but not (pride). Notwithstanding pride being a sin, pride is a very dangerous thing. It makes you stupid. Like alcohol, I can tell you... ;)
People walking around patting there foolish selves on the back proclaiming "they're the man..."

Pledging allegiance to America I support! :):):)
But not to "The clothe of The Federal Government". Hell That flag is a bastard flag. The Constitutional flag has 13 red and white stripes like this one today, but has 13 stars in a circle. There was never a Constitutional Amendment to change the flag to what it is today. If they don't follow The Constitution regarding the flag, hmmmmm, what else have and are doing UNconstitutionally. .

And yes, I agree, this is the best and welathiest Communist Country in the world period. With the best corrupt legal system in the world to boot! ROFLMAO! :):):)

You know H.C., not one of your posters wanted a copy of that Communist Manifesto comparison to our American Governments.
I sincerely knew no one would.
Why? Because no one cares. People like a system where they can get services and or money from someone else. And why not? It's free and free is good!
We are all bound in slavery. Licenses are a (prime) example. And yet they are all (voluntary).
We (volunteer) to be slaves. And we want more. We don't stop those criminals in government, we encourage and demand them to further enslave us, take away our rights to protect us, etc.

Hmmmm, above I said: "Pledging allegiance to America I support! :):):)"
Not quite feeling that way now. My bad...

Take care my man! :)

Rod Ryker...
rod_ryker2000@yahoo.com

The H.C. said...

veHey Rod,
I never get too much challenging, it's like the oxygen I breath, I wouldn't know life without it. So, no worries.I don't feel that pledging my support to this Country is the same as pledging it to the government or a flag. I doubt very much I would ever do that. I guess your taking it literally, I would feel the flag is but a symbol. What I would feel I was pledging alligiance to is the ideals in the pledge, and by taking it, I would be committing myself to making this a better country. Surely as someone who feels our country has many problems, you would be committed to that. Right?

On another subject; I think you may be right about my use of the word, "pride". I hadn't thought about it that way. I would say a better choice of words would be; love of country instead of pride in it.

Communist Manifesto? Actually, I was just joking around. I think that everyone should read it...if for nothing else, just to better understand those that believe in it. I'm watching a 9/11 conspiracy flick tonight and I really don't think the boobs in Washington could pull something like that together if their lives depended on it. But I want to know why so many people believe. I myself have read T.C.M. as well as Mein Kaumf. I don't feel that makes me a Nazi or a Cummunist.I've also read The Protocals of the Elders of Zion, and I'm not Anti-Semetic. How can you understand your enemy or defeat his ideals if you don't know why he believes in them?

Well, I'm glad your back Rod. Someone has to keep me on my toes.

Anonymous said...

Hi H.C. :)

I hope that 911 movie is "911 - Loose Change".
Actor Chrlie sheen will narrate the 3rd up coming version.
Everyone in the Patriot Community think 911 was an inside job. And polls show most other Americans think so also. Ya know, come to think about it, I haven't been seeing you in our crowed. ;)

I agree, know your enemy.

As far as keeping you on your toes,
I don't, I simply educate, and usually what I say is not belived. Simply because it is in contrast to the B.S. we've all been spoonfed.

Take care, hope to be in Michigan this fall for some law shows and songs at Studio1714.

Rod Ryker...

The H.C. said...

Hey Rod,
In answer to your question; yes, it is "Loose Change". I'll be keeping my mind as open as I can while watching it tonight and I'll be commenting on it in a piece. Don't hold much hope though, I'm not generally prone to conspiracy theories.