Monday, September 7, 2009

OBAMA'S VIETNAM

In "Charlie Wilson's War", a pro-Democrat telling of the Soviet Union's loss in Afghanistan, U.S. House Representative Charlie Wilson (D-Texas) leads a covert operation called Operation Cyclone with the intent of handing the Soviet Union a defeat on par with the U.S. defeat in Vietnam. By arming the Mujahideen, (who would later morphed into the Taliban), Senator Wilson hoped to turn the tide against the Soviets. With the help of Ronald Reagan who praised the mujahideen as "freedom fighters", Charlie Wilson increased funding for the covert operation up to $500 million dollars and helped the future Taliban to secure Stinger missiles that are now being used to down our own helicopters. The film is an obvious attempt by the Democrats to write the history of the fall of the Soviet Union with a more Democrat involved spin.

But weren't we hearing from those same Democrats that we (meaning the U.S.) were paying for our involvement in Afghanistan when we were attacked on 9/11? How is it that Charlie Wilson can be praised by the Dems and Hollywood when much of our problems in that region stem from his involvement? The Democrat Party, it seems, is a bit schizophrenic when it comes to the issue of Afghanistan.

The history of Afghanistan is littered with the bodies of past conquistadors. One by one they overran Afghanistan only to find that holding Afghanistan was far harder than capturing it. In recent history, the Afghani people have seen 5 different Constitutions (not including the present) under different governments that have all failed. Now, the U.S., under President Obama, are stuck with the task of trying to do what has yet to ever be accomplished; establishing a secure government in one of the most fractured and tribal regions in the world.

From the beginning, Afghanistan has been a problem for Barack. Early in his presidential bid, Obama caught grief for his statement that, if he had the chance, he would call in an air strike on Osama Bin Laden with or without Pakistan or Afghanistan's approval. Interestingly enough, Obama has succeeded in killing one of Osama Bin Laden's sons.

President Obama now finds himself in a situation that very much mirrors the one the U.S. suffered in Vietnam. Only now the consequences of leaving are far further reaching and dire. As much as the Looney Left would like us to simply pack our bags and leave Afghanistan, that option isn't really even on the table. Unlike Vietnam, where the consequences of our actions were suffered by the Laotians, Cambodians and Vietnamese, the fall of the Afghani Government to the Taliban could lead to the fall of Pakistan, a nuclear armed country. The prospect of radical fundamentalists controlling between 10 and 50 nuclear weapons is very frightening indeed, and Obama knows it.

As the left continues it's move away from President Obama and his sudden realization of the depth of the problem in Afghanistan, I predict a continuation in his popularity drop. For Obama, it must be a perplexing problem. How does one get a group of people, in this case the far left, to understand something they never wanted to hear. That war is sometimes the only answer. The left will never understand that it is simply not the same for a country like Israel to have nuclear weapons as it is for a country like Afghanistan. (Strangely, they do understand back-ground check for hand guns, just not for nuclear weapons.) For the Democrat friends of Charlie Wilson, the answer must be clear; sometimes you must do what keeps the world safe. For the rest of the Democrats, it must be mind-boggling; how can this left-leaning president sound more like a Republican war-monger every day? For President Barack Obama it must be even more incredibly difficult; do you chose to do what you promised to do, to the people that helped get you elected, or do you do what you know in our heart will keep the country safe and then watch your approval ratings fall and fall. With dwindling support and very few good options, this could very well be the war that destroys the Obama presidency. H.C.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

"With dwindling support and very few good options, this could very well be the war that destroys the Obama presidency."

This is but one of numerous battles...

We're heading for another prolonged battle in an arena we claim to understand, but will never understand.

In NO WAY do I belittle or degrade the contributions of the brave men and women that serve in our military, but as a government, we suck at fighting these wars.

The H.C. said...

Hey Hack,
It's not just us. The British, French, Soviets and Persians, just to name a few, have had their asses handed to them in Afghanistan. Our military leaders are always revisiting their past mistakes and saying to themselves, "If only we would have done this or that, then we would have won." I personally don't think Afghanistan is winable, but, leaving the Taliban to regroup and possibly take over Pakistan is way too frightening. I'm afraid we're stuck. I also didn't mean to degrade our troops in any way, they are the finest in the world and you'll never hear me belittle them in any way. The problem is simply not their fault. Thanks for your comments.

Andre said...

"Obama has succeeded in killing one of Obama's sons."

Odd. I thought President Obama only had daughters. But I guess he has sons, too.

Relax, HipCon: I get what you mean. Just poking fun at you.

All that aside, I actually think you raise very good points, accentuated mostly with your juxtaposition to Reagan and Wilson. I've been wondering myself how long the Afghanistan war is going to go unmentioned by critics - both on the left and right.

What has become problematic to me is that there is no way for the Prez to continue pushing for this war without using some of the same language and PR spin so frequently ripped by the folks on the left when Bush used it. When Afghan civilians are getting killed by US airstrikes, our soldiers are unsure on who they're fighting (or WHY they're fighting), and there is a general unease the country seems to have with being at war, Obama is in a world of trouble right now. If he thinks those tea bagger morons or town hall idiots are a problem, wait until the media starts doing their job (maybe) and hipping people to what's going on in Afghanistan.

True: if Bush had focused all of our muscle on Afghanistan in the first place and not tried to make Saddam the new Osama, things may have been easier for the next president to come along. But if Obama thinks he can simply blame Bush, he needs to think again. He hasn't been able to successfully pin this economic nightmare on him, so pinning this war on him won't work either.

The H.C. said...

Hey Dre,
Dammit, I've gone through the whole election, my radio program, comments, etc. without making that blunder.

I agree 100%. It really isn't Obama's war, but that tact didn't work for LBJ or Nixon and it won't work for Barack. The best thing Obama can do is try to make people understand that the Taliban are a skip and a jump away from those Pakistani Nukes. What I fear is going to be his major hurdle on that front is convincing the left that there is anything to fear from a nuclear-armed Taliban. Code Pink, the MSM and all his academic friends are going to turn on him in a New York minute if he continues this war. But honestly Andre, he has no choice.

Anonymous said...

"...leaving the Taliban to regroup and possibly take over Pakistan is way too frightening. I'm afraid we're stuck."

There are always options. Probably none of which are acceptable to politicians, celebrities, religious leaders, or the media.

But I'd like to toss out this: What's the worse case scenario IF we 'packed up and left' (and the Taliban goes nuclear)?

Following that scenario: What's the USA response under this (or future) administration(s)?

I wonder if/when that happens, if we'll have a whole new appreciation for 'enhanced interrogation techniques'...

The H.C. said...

Hey Hack,
I'll try to tackle your questions one by one.

What's the worse case scenario IF we 'packed up and left' (and the Taliban goes nuclear)?

A: The problem with religous fanatics is that they don't fear death (which renders the "mutual destruction" argument obsolete.) Therefore, my fear would be that they would use a nuclear weapon in a suicide bomber style attack or simply give or sell it to someone else willing to do an attack. They may also be more inclined to attack India who is an ally, thereby drawing us in to a larger war with mass casualties. Finally, being nuclear would mean they have the ultimate defense and our attempts to stop terrorist training camps could be met with horrible responses.

Following that scenario: What's the USA response under this (or future) administration(s)?

A: Our first response would be appeasement, much like what we are doing with North Korea. We would offer them money , food, medicine, etc. in exchange for not blowing shit up. If we thought that they had given a nuclear weapon to someone and one of our allies were to be attacked, we would follow our and Israel's normal response-we would respond in kind, ten-fold.

I wonder if/when that happens, if we'll have a whole new appreciation for 'enhanced interrogation techniques'...

A: Absolutely, there are no Liberals the day after an attack. The vote on the original Patriot Act in the Senate was 99-1. Humanity is for the dominate. if we start to really fear a nuclear explosion in the U.S., all that noble positioning will go out the window.

Thanks for your comments and questions.

Anonymous said...

"Thanks for your comments and questions."

Oh, I already knew the answer to those questions, just wanted to put them out in the field for others.

Although I don't share your 'ten fold' response, ala Israeli style. Unlike the Israeli's, we would pussy foot around (like we did after 9/11), and then make what the administration could package (spin) to the world media as a 'surgical strike'.

Like I posted: We suck at fighting this type of war.

You've verified that with:
"The problem with religous fanatics is that they don't fear death (which renders the "mutual destruction argument obsolete.)"

The Guvment seems to make policy based upon our 'Western Values'. Not upon those of the extreme radicals.

The H.C. said...

Hey Hack,
"Although I don't share your 'ten fold' response, ala Israeli style. Unlike the Israeli's, we would pussy foot around (like we did after 9/11), and then make what the administration could package (spin) to the world media as a 'surgical strike'."

Our response to 3000 deaths in the WTC was to attack two different countries and kill thousands of Iraqi and Afghani soldiers plus 100,000+ civilians-that's what I meant by a "ten-fold" response. Not that I don't think it was justified, but that IS the reality. If we were attacked by nukes, my guess is our response would have to be on a huge scale to deter any other country from even thinking about doing it again. That's all I was stating. Your right about how Israel is far more up-front about what they do and I agree that we do try to downplay what we've done instead of just saying, "For every American that you kill, ten Muslims will die." ala Israel. That's far too politically incorrect for the U.S.

Also, your 100% right that, "We suck at fighting this type of war." And I think Afghanistan is going to prove that once again.

On your third point;
"The Guvment seems to make policy based upon our 'Western Values'. Not upon those of the extreme radicals."
I think the Republicans seem to understand extremists, but the Democrats are historically naive on that front. They just don't seem to recognize that there is such a thing as "Evil". In their world everything is our fault and if we just left them alone or payed them off everything would be just fine.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I don't dispute the end numbers of our 'response', what I commented on, is that we took too long to respond. There should've been hell raining down long before it did.

As you noted: The Israeli's don't wait for the fires to be put out before they put the jets in the air.

When you heading to CO?

nic said...

This is a fairly loaded post H.C., so I'll do my best to keep it brief, & relevant to the content that *I* think matters.

"With dwindling support and very few good options, this could very well be the war that destroys the Obama presidency."

If health-care reform (actual reform) passes, then both wars will have a fraction of the relevance that they have now in that aspect. American troops, as a viable combat force, are already on the way out in Iraq. A surge in Afghanistan (too little, too late?) is welcomed by everybody that isn't a dendrophiliac, but we're talking mostly about support & tech forces here, not "real" boots on the ground. Osama's head in a basket or not, the end is near as far as Afghanistan is concerned (I'd gamble an elephant-in-office would do the same, as a decade-long war is a thing of the past, whether anybody likes it or not). If health-care reform happens to come about, then Obama has already won over ~1/2 the voting population. With employers further continuing their decades-long trend of stripping employees of their health-care (even HOSPITALS have recently begun to strip their employee's plans to bare-bones!) policies, it's only a matter of years before the lot of us begin to wake-up & feel, as well as vote, the same way.

-n