So far I've done a pretty good job of fulfilling my promise to piss off everyone on both sides. But as far as I know, I've yet to really receive any flack from my Hispanic friends. Part of the reason is I have so much respect for Hispanic people. I don't think I would be overstating my position if I said I think Hispanics are the hardest working people in America. Most of my opinions about Hispanics and their efforts to come to the U.S. result from my two years working with the Spanish-Speaking Center that once existed here in Flint. I had several new Mexican immigrants working under me doing house construction and I got to know some of them really well. An interesting fact among the Mexicans that I got to know is; even though they were here legally, they all had several family members living with them that were not. The plan was, as near as I could decipher it, for one of them to go through all the bribes and paperwork involved in getting here legally, then set up a house that the illegal ones could stay in. All of the Mexicans I had working with me took their entire paycheck home to support their families and kept none for themselves. That's hard not to admire, such a great loyalty to their family and so little concern for their own needs and wants. However, it still leaves America with the problem of millions of people here illegally that we don't have any way of knowing who they are or if they are a danger to society. Building a better border is a good starting point, but what do we do with all these people? I have an answer that is sure to piss a lot of people off, but considering the other options, it's at least worth looking at.So what's my plan? Put them in the military. Hang on, hang on, don't get too upset just yet. Hear me out and then you can start criticizing. First off, it's totally voluntary, I'm not talking about drafting anyone. Second, I have a carrot to use to draw them into considering the military as an option. Citizenship. Not only for themselves, but for two of their family members. Here's my plan; If your here illegally as of right now, (not for future violators) you can head on down to your local recruitment office with two family members in tow. If you sign up, you go into the military and all that comes with it. You are given a three year, revocable visa for yourself and your two family members and when you complete your tour of duty, presto! Everyone becomes a legal citizen of the United States. Not a bad deal all around. The United States gets the hardest working people on the planet for it's depleted military and records of who the illegals are, and the illegal immigrants get a path to citizenship that isn't an amnesty program that rewards them for breaking the law. What could be better? An extra bonus would be having a lot of people in the military who, well, look a lot like Mid-Easterners. That can come in handy in infiltration. Teach a few Hispanics Arabic, have them grow a beard, and bam, instant Muslim extremist.
The best part is, these people are looking for a way to serve this country. Honestly, the people who fight to get into this country, legally or illegally, love this country more than the people who have lived here all there lives. That's just a fact. Talk to almost any of them and they'll tell you .
So what's the downside? Here's some of the questions people that I've proposed this idea to have had. Q: What about non Mexican immigrants? A: Let 'em do it too, we need to know who all the illegals are. Q: That wouldn't be fair to the average recruit who doesn't get to use the program, would it? A: Granted. I think we should remove the college incentive for the illegals to equal things out. A: Isn't this just going to make it even more likely that we'll go to war? A: Let's hope not, but at least if we do we'll have enough people to do it right. Q: Isn't it racist to try to expand the military through illegals? A: No, I don't care what color they are. If your here illegally, you have been using our resources (schools, health care, etc.) and you should put something back into the well for all you took. That applies to everyone. The fact that most of them happen to be Hispanic has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that they came here illegally that makes them a eligible, not that they're brown. I wouldn't care if we had a problem with Canadians, same solution.
So here's your chance people. Let me know if this has any merit or if 'ol H.C. has finally fell over the edge. We have to do something, and the Democrat idea of legalizing everyone reeks of amnesty for lawbreakers. On the other side, the Republican idea of arresting everyone or having them pay $10,000 fines is damn near insane. This would give them a chance to rectify for their past deeds and serve this country in a way that would make it hard to call them anything other than a full-fledged American Vet and a U.S. Citizen. As for the rest of the illegals, after we offer them an honorable way out of their situation, I'll have a lot less sympathy for them if the Republicans get their way. H.C.
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hi H.C., this isn't in reference to this post, but a previous one you did re michael moore, his movie 'sicko,' and the healthcare situation. i'm watching oprah today and she's following up on the show she did earlier this year with michael moore re the health care issue. she was saying until michael was on the show, she wasn't aware that we were having such an health-care crisis. yeah right! anyhoo, she thought everything was ok because "everything was ok with her." my thought on that one - unfortunately, that's the attitude of a lot of people with $$$. her question today was dealing with whether everyone has the same right to health care in this country. lisa ling did some interviews with people and health insurance companies. she also had michael moore back on her show again today.
ok, now i'll ponder your present question for a bit.
Judges?
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We have a winner!
Dude, this post was DEFINITELY worth the wait. Solid points all around. So much so, that I can't really add much to this discussion.
@ Sylv: "i'm watching oprah today..."
*Walking into Sylvia's living room, taking her remote, turning off her television, and tossing it out the window*
As much as I think we need to support more of our own, friends don't let friends watch Oprah.
Hey Heiress,
As you've probably seen in several of my pieces, videos, and comments that I've made, I'm a huge advocate for Universal Health Care. Meaning that everyone in this country should be covered 100% of the time against catastrophic medical bills. The problem as I see it is that like legalization of marijuana, gay marriage, and a host of other issues, the advocates want more then is achievable. I would like to see it as being a lot like Unemployment insurance is handled now. You lose your job, you immediately go apply for the health coverage. The same goes for the under-insured who, like the Under-employed, can also apply. People in general will never go for the repercussions of destroying our current system. It's an issue of the poor not understanding the middle class and afluent who aren't unhappy with the care that they are getting. As far as the wealthy not understanding the poor, this shows in a lot of their answers. Hillary's plan for instance, of getting a tax credit for buying insurance myself-If I don't have the money to begin with, where am I going to get this 4 to 5 thousand a year to buy insurance while waiting for my refund? I'll check out MM's interviews, but I don't think he has the right answers although I respect him for raising the issue. Thanks for you thoughts!
Hey Dre,
Thanks! Now, what do you think the chances are of anyone picking this idea up. Probably as well as them looking at my health care plan. Unfortunately.
Hi H.C. :)
I disagree.
I think it morbid to place someone in a life threatening situation by dangling a carrot in front.
Even if they were behind our front line and safer, all then you are suggesting is hey, let's give them a job with benefits, free meals, free housing, free medical, free college education, assistance to later borrow money to purchase a home, and then they will be allowed to be citizens.
Even better than the (status quo).
Rod Ryker...
Rod said: "I think it morbid to place someone in a life threatening situation by dangling a carrot in front."
I agree. The U.S. government/military does this too, & it's unfortunate. And to counter any criticism that I will almost undoubtedly receive, as an unemployed diabetic father of two, I have attempted to sneak myself past the military physical *TWICE*, even though I disagree w/ the current U.S. foreign policy.
But on to the main point...isn't this only creating "cannon fodder" for future wars? I mean, w/ almost 4k Americans killed to date in an unpopular war, how many of these proposed "volunteers" would be considered expendable while compared to one genuine (i.e. WHITE) U.S. soldier?
You can, of course, say "No Nic, that would NEVER happen!". But we all have a pretty good idea of what is already going on. Look @ the mercenary/"private contractor" situation in Iraq now (I blogged about it long ago, *months* prior to the current controversy about Blackwater). There's currently almost a 1:1 ratio of private contractors to U.S. soldiers, & those that fall on the non-military side are today's cannon fodder. That's not because they're private...that's because a good portion of them AREN'T EVEN AMERICAN!
But what do I know? The U.S. government has been using what you've proposed since it's very inception. History anybody? Blacks, & their potential (but rarely ever granted) freedom in this country have been used in countless wars throughout our nation's history. Look! They're even citizens now!
But are "they" truly equal?
-Tap-Tap-Anbody listening?
-n
Hey Rod,
People put themselves in danger in a whole lot of the private job market. Iron Workers, Store Clerks, Ice Road Truckers, Lobster Fishermen & Taxicab Drivers, to name a few. All the people who do those jobs do so knowing there is a risk but are willing to risk it for the money and/or benefits. I see no difference.
As far as the immigrants being "behind our front line and safer." I see no reason why they would, or should, be treated any different that any other soldier. And to your point about the benefits soldiers recieve; I have no problem with them earning those benefits if, like any other soldiers, they earn them by honorably serving. In fact, I think we should take even better care of them than we are, especially in terms of the Disabled American Vets and the V.A. Hospitals.
Hey Nic,
To your first point of agreeing with Rod's statement. Once again, a lot of jobs, (including mine, which demands a lot of highway driving time) have high risk. If people are willing to except that risk and believe in the cause, who are you to tell they cannot. They do need to know and understand the risk however,that's why I feel that people who think like you are necessary in the public forum.
To your second point. Your using some selective memory on your history of American Wars. Granted, Korea, and Vietnam would good examples of what your talking about, but WWII was fought with 88% whites and recruiting in the year July 1, 1944 to June 30, 1945 was a whopping 98.7% white. (site; http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/wwii/minst.htm) Were they "Targeting" whites??
The racism that existed in Korea and Vietnam usually manifested itself in placement (as in the front lines) not recruitment.I don't think it benefits the military to put minorities on the front lines now so they can be view as discrimitory by a salivating left wing press looking for more ways to compare Iraq to Vietnam.
As far as Blackwater; Would you really propose unemploying 10's of thousands of highly trained Rambos (mostly ex-Seals and Special Ops.) so that they can be highly paid as "mercinaries" for some other government? Were you for disbanding the Iraqi army too then? That worked out great. Remember, you claim yourself this is a 140,000 strong standing highly trained army....with bills.
My final points; Armies are necessary, unfortunately. The belief that everyone will stop hating us if we just stop interfering is fallacious at best. Wolves will always be wolves and will attack whether you fight back or not.
Private Contractors are an emerging force as are terrorist tactics, the War will continue with or without U.S. involvement. The only question is: What will the situation look like when we get back in?
Blacks, Hispanics, Women and other minorities can benefit from the military as long as they're not stationed at the front lines in disproportionate percentages and as long as they understand the risk. Because this is a volunteer army, we now have less minorities by percentage than the national population. This is due to their lack of support for the war. Site; http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/washington/22recruit.html This war is fought by volunteers who believe in what they're doing. If illegal immigrants believe my idea is a good deal for them, what's the problem? It's their choice not yours.
Hi nic :)
Gee I wish you would post more often. ;)
Yep, "cannon fodder" is the natural course. A war is great for government and bankers lending monies to both sides also.
It is estimated that there are appx. 30 million spanish speaking illegals in America. The gov. says about 1/3 that number.
Either way, it's an endless supply of human expendable resources.
Rod Ryker...
Hi H.C. :)
Oh boy you just keep on stirring the pot here don't you?! ;)
H.C. said: "Hey Rod,
People put themselves in danger in a whole lot of the private job market. Iron Workers, Store Clerks, Ice Road Truckers, Lobster Fishermen & Taxicab Drivers, to name a few. All the people who do those jobs do so knowing there is a risk but are willing to risk it for the money and/or benefits. I see no difference."
Here's the difference, unlike the military, those employees are not (duty bound) to die for their employers. And they are free to walk away (defect) at any time of their choosing without penalty of death.
H.C. said: "I have no problem with them earning those benefits if, like any other soldiers, they earn them by honorably serving."
Yes, better than the status quo as I said.
Do you really think this country's infrastructure can absorb these 30 million illegals?
We are already borrowing worthless script from Japan and China. A fiat currency can only work for so long and with the addition of more expenditures...
Rod Ryker...
WARNING: WALL OF TEXT
HC said "Your using some selective memory on your history of American Wars. Granted, Korea, and Vietnam would good examples of what your talking about, but WWII was fought with 88% whites and recruiting in the year July 1, 1944 to June 30, 1945 was a whopping 98.7% white."
Your post, & my reply, were concerning using citizenship as a proverbial carrot for illegals, which in all reality, means hispanics for the most part. Your post, & my reply, did not concern enlistment figures and/or racism on the front lines. Good info, but that's not what we're talking about here.
What I'm talking about is that in just about every war since, & including, the Revolutionary war, citizenship, voting rights, & more were dangled in front of blacks. I assume I can stop there for everybody in this forum should know how well that worked out for them. How this has apparently escaped most everybody here, including a black man, is beyond me.
HC said: "Would you really propose unemploying 10's of thousands of highly trained Rambos (mostly ex-Seals and Special Ops.) so that they can be highly paid as "mercinaries" for some other government?"
The U.S. military has really only gone the privatizing route within the past 15 years or so. Prior to that, how many "Rambos" that pimped themselves out to a foreign government did you know? Did you even hear about any? Yeah, I'm sure that a few waste-of-spaces ended up joining the French Foreign Legion if they could cut it, but beyond that? Furthermore, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of current & former U.S. troops would *NEVER* allow themselves to be commanded by a foreigner, let alone a foreign government. I'm sure you know somebody in the military, please ask them.
HC said: "If illegal immigrants believe my idea is a good deal for them, what's the problem? It's their choice not yours."
The problem is two-fold. One, the practice exploits the need of somebody @ the potential expense of their very life. Not their job, their home, their shiny new car. THEIR LIFE. It's the exact same w/ military recruiters in high-schools & poorer areas. You're logical & very intelligent, so marinate in this: How much of the U.S. military would be left if the government took away only the college benefits that they dangle in front of people?
Secondly, this is only creating cannon fodder. Think about it. Would our government, or even the average American, rather see 1 American GI killed in action, or 100 foreign GIs trying to be Americans killed in action? This is why I brought up Blackwater (& they're not the only ones...there's 100+ similar outfits) as in addition to their American "Rambo" type, they use S.American, African, & Asian troops, all of whom are paid @ a fraction of what their American counterparts are making. Who do you think is more expendable?
If we have a large source of expendable troops, then what prevents even more conflicts? I mean, the majority of Americans probably don't want a war in Iran...especially since the U.S. military is so thinned out @ the moment...but if we used foreign, expendable troops, do you think that would change a few minds? The U.S. military/intelligence already does this in the form of "training" & "consultation" all over the world. They arm & train armies to achieve their desired goal, which sometimes means the overthrowing of a government...hell, sometimes even a democratically-elected governement...so our government doesn't have to admit to mothers, fathers, & families that their American sons & daughters died in a far away land in the name of American "interests" (ie. Big Business).
-n
Rod said: "Gee I wish you would post more often. ;)"
Thanks, but with SportsCenter being on nearly 11 times a day, it doesn't leave time for much else.
-n
@ Rod: "I think it morbid to place someone in a life threatening situation by dangling a carrot in front."
Uh..they already do. Anybody ever hear of Selective Services? That's the only time the feds will give my ass $$$ to pay for college.
Ultimately, Hippie's idea was on point because his proposal would ultimately lead to draft dodgers. Draft dodgers, as we all know, go the Canada. So essentially the best way to end our immigration problem is to cause allow it to eventually become a Canadian problem.
Gadzooks! The answer was right in our face all this time...
Andre said: "Ultimately, Hippie's idea was on point because his proposal would ultimately lead to draft dodgers. Draft dodgers, as we all know, go the Canada. So essentially the best way to end our immigration problem is to cause allow it to eventually become a Canadian problem."
Lol. I just spit-up coffee all over my keyboard. Thanks for that. And nice save.
-n
There was a bit of typo in there. I meant to say:
"So essentially the best way to end our immigration problem is to allow it to eventually become a Canadian problem."
All the same, I'm glad you picked up on my point.
@Rod and Nic,
You two on the same side is so strange. The only thing you two agree on is how much you both hate our current government. As soon as you both got to the part where you would be creating a new government...you'd be at each others throats. The Hippie Conservative.....bringing people together. As soon as I get some time, I'll tear apart both your pitiful arguments.
@Dre,
Et tu Brute?
"The only thing you two agree on is how much you both hate our current government."
Easy, killer. I've never stated such. There is plenty of changes I'd love to see actually happen, but entirely abolishing our current system isn't one of them.
"As soon as I get some time, I'll tear apart both your pitiful arguments."
I'm anxiously awaiting. Seeing how a large percentage of what I stated is factual, I'm wondering how one goes about tearing apart facts. Until then...
-n
Hi Andre :)
in re: October 1, 2007 8:59:00 AM
Andre said: "Uh..they already do. Anybody ever hear of Selective Services? That's the only time the feds will give my ass $$$ to pay for college."
Selective Service is no dangeling carrot, it is a list for possible future indentured servitude.
I never considered the Canada angle, good joke! :)
Rod Ryker...
Hi H.C. :)
in re: October 1, 2007 12:26:00 PM
H.C. said: "The only thing you two agree on is how much you both hate our current government."
No, I hate the systemic corruption in government.
H.C. said: "As soon as you both got to the part where you would be creating a new government...you'd be at each others throats."
No, I am not interested in a "new government". I want corruption free government. A gov. that adheres to the document that created it and limits it's powers.
H.C. said: "I'll tear apart both your pitiful arguments."
Start your training routine soon!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha... ;)
Rod Ryker...
@Nic,
O.K. where shall we start?
You say,"Blacks, & their potential (but rarely ever granted) freedom in this country have been used in countless wars throughout our nation's history."
But then you say, "Your post, & my reply, did not concern enlistment figures and/or racism on the front lines."
What were you refering to then in your first statement if not racism?
On Blackwater you say, "...that's because a good portion of them AREN'T EVEN AMERICAN!"
Then you say,"Furthermore, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of current & former U.S. troops would *NEVER* allow themselves to be commanded by a foreigner, let alone a foreign government."
Why would they have loyalty to the U.S. if a "good portion of them AREN'T EVEN AMERICAN"? Hmmmm.
And this statement I could not disagree with more, "so our government doesn't have to admit to mothers, fathers, & families that their American sons & daughters died in a far away land in the name of American "interests" (ie. Big Business).
Honestly Nic, this assumes that there is no real threat that should be dealt with..only business interests. Surely you don't think that this whole terrorism thing is a figment of some corporate boards imagination? Agree with them or not, it's disgraceful to tell grieving relatives that their boy was just a fool....tricked by greedy imperialists. Are you THAT sure there's no threat and everybody that's thinks so is naive?
This whole piece is about offering people who broke into our country a chance to make things right. And it's definately about recruitment and enlistment, that's why you see good old Uncle Sam right at the top. Not everyone considers the military as being an evil. A lot of people consider the military a good job with benefits and if it were denied them they would consider THAT a problem. Think of it this way, all the figures I'm seeing on the American loses in Iraq show them very closely tracking the U.S. population in terms of percentages. That's not an accident. If we doubled or even tripled the amount of Hipanic enlistees it would stay the same so that people on the left couldn't scream, "Racism!" That really means that Hispanic recruits would have LESS of a chance of being killed by percentage than their white counterparts. It's a good deal for illegals and I agree with the argument that this is unfair to the other recruits if anybody.
Hey Dre,
I hadn't thought of the possible flood of illegals to Canada. See, just ONE MORE reason this is a good deal for everyone!
O.K. Rod,
I've been letting you throw punches while I've been busy, but now I have some time.
You said,"No, I hate the systemic corruption in government."
All government is corrupt and therefore you must hate all government. Or maybe you'd like to tell us which parts you feel AREN'T corrupt?
And then you make this statement, "No,I am not interested in a "new government". I want corruption free government. A gov. that adheres to the document that created it and limits it's powers." As interpeted by who? You? Our past discussions have shown you have a distain for any Supreme Court rulings that you disagree with...but the Justices themselves cannot agree on the interpetations. I can't help but feel the only government you would feel was following it's documents is one that was interpeted by you.
What I see from you is the belief that if some people in the Government are corrupt then they must all be corrupt. In that you and Nic are alike, every argument is, They did it before, so we can assume they'll do it every time. I can never absorb that "Always wrong" or "Always right" mentality. The government isn't some evil machine, it's just a bunch of people going to work. Some good, some bad, like at your job.
This next statement proves my point, "Yep, "cannon fodder" is the natural course. A war is great for government and bankers lending monies to both sides also." Once again, there can be no just cause. It's ALL about the munipulation of the naive for the benefit of the rich and powerful. Honestly, you paint with that brush in wide strokes, you should consider that there may occassional be a situation where our government ISN'T in the wrong.
On to another statement,"Here's the difference, unlike the military, those employees are not (duty bound) to die for their employers. And they are free to walk away (defect) at any time of their choosing without penalty of death."
I'll give you the second part, although that only applies during combat. I've seen plenty of people join and then leave the military, all you have to do is have your mommy say she needs you at home and your out. As far as the first part, there are jobs outside the military that do just that. Private Bodyguard, Secret Service, or Policeman to name a few. These people know the risk and except it as do all the other examples I gave you. If your so for freedom and personal responsibility, then give illegals a chance to rectify for their misdeeds. Once again, it's their choice.
Finally; Start your training routine soon!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha...
I train everyday, just by being alive. It's like this on my blog, on my videos and in my life. I'm the most challenged person on Earth and I love it. Just knowing I'm making people use their brains makes it all worth while. I was just joking around when I said," I'll tear apart both your pitiful arguments."
since you and Nic were trying to tag-team me. Both of you always give me good intelligent arguments. Thanks for your thoughts.
"What were you refering to then in your first statement if not racism?"
I thought I cleared that up w/ my 2nd reply. Here, I'll repost it: "What I'm talking about is that in just about every war since, & including, the Revolutionary war, citizenship, voting rights, & more were dangled in front of blacks. I assume I can stop there for everybody in this forum should know how well that worked out for them."
Did you even read my 2nd reply?
Ugh. Just like Faux News, you're taking *TWO* different statement, from *TWO* different replies, and attempting to make them one in order to make it appear that I'm contradicting myself.
Again, did you even read my replies?
I'll assume not, so allow me to clarify. Any real American soldier would never allow himself to be commanded by a foreign commander, let alone work against American interests for a foreign government. Yes, foreign mercenaries exist, and I'm sure they've been used against American forces @ various times throughout our nation's history. But seriously, you're using THAT as a reason why companies like Blackwater should be permitted to operate in the fashion they do? Holy off-topic Batman! That isn't even what we're talking about! I used Blackwater as an example of a source of expendable troops already being put to use, & you attempt to turn the conversation? Hmmmm, is right.
"And this statement I could not disagree with more, "so our government doesn't have to admit to mothers, fathers, & families that their American sons & daughters died in a far away land in the name of American "interests" (ie. Big Business).
Honestly Nic, this assumes that there is no real threat that should be dealt with..only business interests. Surely you don't think that this whole terrorism thing is a figment of some corporate boards imagination? Agree with them or not, it's disgraceful to tell grieving relatives that their boy was just a fool....tricked by greedy imperialists. Are you THAT sure there's no threat and everybody that's thinks so is naive?"
You & me can debate why the U.S. is in a state of war, all day long, but again, that isn't what your OP was about, so what does any of that have to do w/ what your OP was about? Do you even remember what you originally posted? I used examples to illustrate my opinion. Instead of answering ANY of the questions that I posed to you, the OP, you attack my statements? Please read both my statements, find any sentence that ends w/ a question-mark, & respond. Otherwise, what is the point of replying/asking?
Focus HC, focus.
Remember, YOU put a proposal out on the table. Therefore, you should expect a great deal of critiquing, even if it's the greatest proposal known to man. Address the issue @ hand, not everything else.
-n
Hi H.C. :)
Stop letting your ass eat your panties. ;)
nic and I are not tag teaming you. Anymore than Andre and you are tag teaming nic and myself. We agree on certain issues. And, unfortunately for you, you picked one of those issues. GRIN
H.C. said: "All government is corrupt and therefore you must hate all government."
Your debating technique is little better than that of a child.
I am not going to respond where you put words into my mouth. ;)
H.C. said: "Our past discussions have shown you have a distain for any Supreme Court rulings that you disagree with...but the Justices themselves cannot agree on the
interpetations."
The U.S. Supreme Court made (themselves) the keepers of The Constitution against Jefferson's warnings. So, now we pay for having a strong court.
The Constitution is quite clear, why have the government preach to us it's meaning?! I Don't see your point here...
H.C. said: "It's ALL about the munipulation of the naive for the benefit of the rich and powerful."
Well, during the Rev. War, France and other countries lent America many gold and silver pieces, and they were paid back with interest.
Prescott Bush (grandpa) lent money to Hitler's Germany, and gained money. War is great for government and bankers. History has taught us, that if you lend money to enemies of The United States, your son and grandson will become president...
I enjoy going off topic a little, and it's better since you have too! :) It brings more flavor to the discussion. See, I disagree with nic here. He is an execellent debator 'though, and knows what you are doing, he will throw your balls to the sharks. ;)
Take care my man.
Rod Ryker...
Hey Nic,
Your right, I haven't answered some of your questions.
"isn't this only creating "cannon fodder" for future wars?" Possibly, but they could do it through the draft if they wanted to anyway.
"how many of these proposed "volunteers" would be considered expendable while compared to one genuine (i.e. WHITE) U.S. soldier?"
According to the very little research I could find on race of American soldiers killed in Iraq, blacks have 60% of the mortality rate of whites, Hispanics were 21% higher. But once again, Your not talking about race in this question? Then why the "WHITE" comment?
Those are the only questions in your first statement. Unless you want me to answer the "But what do I know?" question.
"If we have a large source of expendable troops, then what prevents even more conflicts?" Same question as above, just framed different.
"How much of the U.S. military would be left if the government took away only the college benefits that they dangle in front of people?"
Not many. But then they start drafting, is that a better solution?
"how many "Rambos" that pimped themselves out to a foreign government did you know?"
Mercinaries have been around as long as war, along with double agents.
There, I hope that takes care of that.
By the way, I reread your first and second statement and still think they both have an element of race in them.
P.S. On a personal note. I hear you fixed your car yourself! Way to go Bro! I'm going to start refering to you as Mechanical Nic.
Hey Rod,
Sorry it took so long to respond, I've been really busy.
I don't wear panties, are we debating or are you just fantasizing?
With everything else aside, I propose this: Present your proposal on a number of larger forums. Find a forum for illegal immigrants (if forums exist for homosexual shoe-salesmen, then I bet you can find one for illegals). Present it on forums aimed @ blacks, whites, latinos, democrats, & republicans alike. Allow a much broader audience to critique it, & see what is said. It's my guess that you'll get some people to agree w/ you (Republicans maybe? But surely they wouldn't want all that comes along w/ assimilating 30+ million legally into "the system"), but I'm guessing you'll get a hell of a lot more 'nays' than 'yays'. But again, what the hell do I know?
-n
Hey Nic,
Haven't you heard? I get kicked off of forums. And the Republicans, it turns out, hate me as much as the Democrats, maybe more. The Democrat forums it usually takes a few days, the Republicans kick me out in one. I guess I'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but that's O.K. You have your opinion and your entitled to it. I'm very sure that in most any example, more people would agree with you than me.
i hope you had a good thanksgiving holiday H.C.
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